Visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation
I wrote this 2 yrs before the series above, and I put it here to tidy up a bit. This is a part of my Testimony and is what prompted me to write Generational, Ancestral and Family Curses. There is more that can be added and as I am prompted by the Holy Spirit I will do so.
Broke Back Church Rick Warren’s son commits suicide. WHY?
Jon Watkins Exposing Satanism and Witchcraft April 12, 2013
Have you ever wonder where the sayings “like Father, like Son” – “like Mother, like Daughter” come from?
Why do bad things happen to God’s People? Why are little children not protected by God?
1st Peter 4:16-17 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
I will attempt to answer these questions because I learned them the hard way. I am writing this in response to the news that Rick Warren’s son committed suicide and I am sure people can’t understand why or how a “preachers” son could take his own life. This is not an attack on Matthew for you trolls who want to spin this. I know Warren’s church is called Saddle Back Church. I call it Broke Back Church due to Warrens endorsement of the Homosexual lifestyle. Broke Back is in reference to the homosexual movie Broke Back Mountain. Like you I am entitled to my opinion.
Matthew Warren, Son of “America’s” Pastor Rick Warren has committed Suicide. According to the AP article, Matthew was 27 yrs old.
Matthew Warren struggled with mental illness, deep depression and suicidal thoughts throughout his life, Saddleback Valley Community Church said in a statement. His body was found in his Mission Viejo home Friday night, said Allison O’Neal, a supervising deputy coroner for Orange County. She declined to release the cause and manner of death pending an autopsy of the young man.
“Despite the best health care available, this was an illness that was never fully controlled and the emotional pain resulted in his decision to take his life,” the church statement said.
You can read the full AP article here Now on to my opinion as to why he was mentally disturbed.
Exodus 20:3-6 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Can God’s people have Demons or be controlled by them?
The answer to that question is YES. Let me clarify. While an saved person, someone who has had a true conversion, has demons expelled and can’t continue being “possessed”, they can still have their will, thoughts and actions greatly influenced by demonic forces. We are helpless in the flesh against the powers of darkness and must put our faith totally in Jesus Christ and what he did for us on the Cross. Just because you are now saved you may think all is well and you will have no more troubles. That is what I thought…, and oh boy I was WRONG!! Satan came at me harder then ever and I tried to fight him in the flesh. What a tremendous mistake!!
To get a complete understanding as to how and why I would point you to Dr. Joe Allbright who has been dealing with this very subject for the last 30+ years. I can not go into details in this writing but if you need to be freed from thoughts of Suicide or Murder, Alcoholism, Homosexuality, Sexual Additions, Drug Addiction, Prostitution, Pride (that is a big one in the church) or any other problem you have in you life, I would encourage you to get Joe’s book Liberating the Bruised.
I met Joe some 16 years ago when he came to preach and do a seminar at the church I was attending at the time. As he preached that Sunday morning and told of how a Christian can be afflicted by demons, I thought man I need to get my wife to this seminar that was coming up because what he was describing was exactly what she was doing. LOL. The seminar as well as Joe’s book is based on the Ancestral stuff that is handed down from our parents. Well by the time the seminar was over I realized I had multiple problems and this was the answer to the question I had been asking God. I needed to get the beam out of my own eye before worrying about the one in the wife’s eye. Matthew 7:5 and Luke 6:42. I quickly forgot about my wife’s problems and realized I needed to deal with the bondage that was controlling of me.
Joe was gracious enough to hang around for an extra day to help anyone who desired it. Well guess who spent the better part of a day getting free from the bondage of satan!! Now you have to understand I was saved as saved could be. I remember the day it happened, Wednesday May 12th 1993 and Evangelist Mickey Bonner (who is gone on to be with the Lord) out of Houston, Texas was preaching a revival at that same church I was attending. So there is no doubt in my mind at all Jesus had come into my life a couple years prior, yet I still had trouble with thoughts and actions I just could not shake. I would do things and then be filled with guilt and shame after the fact. I would ask God to forgive me, which he did and does, but I kept wondering why because according to what I was being taught and what I was listening to from TV preachers, all should be fine when I got saved. Well, as I found out, even though you get saved you can still be tormented by the enemy.
The Ancestral Curses, The Iniquities of my father, grandfather etc, were handed down to me and I was doing the same things and acting the same way as my father did. In addition, as I later found out, my brothers have the same problems I had. Now you will say that you just learned your fathers ways by watching as you were growing up. Well that is partly true but, I offer this to you. I have a son and a daughter from a previous marriage that I had little contact with (long story) while they were growing up due to distance (me in Texas them in Pennsylvania). I made some statements in an email to my ex-wife a year or so ago and she responded back that what I had said was exactly what my son would say and I had little influence in his life growing up. He looks like me and acted like me with very limited contact and that is a whole other story and testimony. I commented to her that our daughter acted like and had the same ways as she did. She acknowledged that yes indeed that was true.
I have dealt with first hand Ancestral Demons, demons of Murder, Suicide, Jealousy, Religion, Anger, Sex, Hatred, Un-forgiveness, Perversion, Bestiality, demons that cause disease and demon produced personalities. Now you may not want to believe it, but that is your problem. Pray and ask God if it’s true!!
So you see I have learned through first hand experience how these curses work and are handed down from parents to children. I have also had the privilege through the power of Jesus and what he did on the cross, and what I have learned from Joe to help free several who were inflicted with the iniquities that were handed down.
He was afflicted all of his life… Do you have the same troubles?
The article states “Despite the best health care available, this was an illness that was never fully controlled and the emotional pain resulted in his decision to take his life,” the church statement said.
These quacks enjoy pushing the Joseph Mengele style health care to inflict as much destruction on Gods people as they can. Never, never, never let these quacks put your child on medication to control behavior or mess with the mind as they are more then likely closeted Luciferians. Jesus is the great Physician and can heal any mental problem or addiction you may have.
It’s sad, in my opinion, that Matthew was inflicted with Demons and satan drove him to suicide. Exodus 20:3-6 is the reason why, and I am sure he was on psychotropic drugs as well for depression which, if you pay attention to the television commercials and drug inserts, give you thoughts of suicide!!!
Just a bit of Biblical history about the word Pharmakeia.
Pharmakeia is translated from the Greek and is where we get the English words- Pharmacy, Pharmacist, Pharmaceuticals etc.
The word, Pharmakeia is associated with medicine, drugs, spells, poisoning, and witchcraft. The supposed primary purpose of this practice was to protect the patient from demonic forces, but the Bible warns against these things. Taking this term in its original context, its modern application could be associated with the field of Psychiatric medicine. Many of the common “disorders” that are now treated with medication would have been viewed in ancient times as demons. Pharmakeia could also be associated with the sale and use of illegal drugs.
The Result of Iniquity that is not dealt with.
How could Matthew have been Cured? JESUS!!! But since Jesus and the Cross are not preached at Broke Back Church, or in most churches for that matter, no one there knows the power of the Cross and what Jesus did there!! What is preached is humanism and all of the satanic agenda that goes along with it.
We are responsible for our children and what is taught to them. So according to what the Bible says I put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the father as it states in Exodus 20:5. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Now you can hate me for blaming Fathers for what happens to our children, but I put MYSELF right in there with all other fathers who have handed down that Iniquity to our kids.
In my case I was a lost heathen deep in sin and did not know any better. My children were all conceived before I was saved and found out about these curses. But in Rick Warrens case he did know better, or as a preacher should have known. He founded the Church in 1980 which was 33 yrs ago and Matthew was 27. So that means Rick was aware of the word before Matthew was born and chose to ignore what the Bible says back then just as he ignores it today! Warren is uncertain if Homosexual Behavior is Sinful and Expresses Regret Over Making Video Supporting Biblical Marriage. There are many many more examples of his Heresy and disregard for what is written in God’s Word.
Changing or eliminating that Word WILL bring the wrath of God on oneself and our families. Also if you are in the wrong and will not listen to what God is telling you, he will allow the enemy to move on your family to get your attention. Again I know this from first hand experience with my youngest daughter (28). I will not go into that because it would take too long but believe me, the LORD allowed things to happen to get MY attention!!
Look at what the Israelites did when after they were freed from Pharaoh and then fashioned Idols (read Exodus). He punished them. Look again at what they did at the trial of Jesus and this is an important scripture most overlook. I would read the whole account in Matthew 27 so you can get the whole picture as to what took place.
Matthew 27:19-25 When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him. But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus. The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas. Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified. And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified. When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
Well they got what they asked for. A curse that was handed down from the fathers to the children as Exodus 20:5 states. For 2000 years, there about, The Israelites, the Jews (there is a difference as Jew’s are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jews) have been the recipients of hate, and tremendous persecution and it dates back I believe when they rejected Jesus as the Messiah and asked that he be put to death. Hence they got what they wanted and God being true to his word let that curse come down through the generations.
The Religious leaders of the day are the ones who provoked the people into asking that Jesus be crucified. They knew what the word of God said and chose to reject what it said and conspired to have Jesus killed. It’s no different today. These Mega Churches are not interested in preaching the true word of God and instead they preach a warn feel good message and leave out what Jesus died for. The curse is still in place and the blood is still on those hands of those who refuse to address it and preach the truth. The good news is YOU can break that curse, you can stop the sins of the fathers being handed down to your children and I will have more on that a bit later.
Also we can look at what happened to JOB and see the example of what happens when God allows satan to move on an person. If you don’t know the story I would suggest you read the book of JOB. God allowed satan to move on his sons and daughters, his Children and pretty much all he had was destroyed because of Pride, ie Iniquity.
The ultimate sin happened in the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve (not Adam and Steve) rebelled and disregarded what God commanded and as a result ALL people from that day to the present are basically cursed. That is why God set up the laws and required the blood sacrifice of a lamb without blemish. And as we know or should know, Jesus took the place of that sacrifice and died for our sins.
When we do wrong God will chastise us to get our attention. If we don’t respond to his word and his voice he will take action and punishment ensues. I know this first hand. I did things I KNEW were wrong and was a very vial, mean and hateful person. You can ask my wife and I am sure she could give you detailed info of what I did on what day and time!! She reminds me from time to time so I know she has been keeping record. But isn’t it great that all that is washed clean by Jesus and I am forgiven? God was trying to get my attention for many years and I knew it but chose to ignore it. God took me to the bottom of the barrel and was very close to being homeless with a family to take care of.
Apparently Matthew had a mental problem all his life and the news says he had the “best health care available”. Did the church think to call on the ultimate health care provider Jesus? I doubt it as they were probably to busy with their Iniquity. God allows affliction as a way to get ones attention. I wonder if Warren even considered that is son may have had a demon problem. Most do and as I have stated above I can attest to that first hand. No I did not, and do not have a mental problem but I am sure you trolls will think so! Most of the God haters think a REAL Christian that preaches and teaches the truth written in the Bible is mentally disturbed. We are now considered Terrorists because we believe literally what the Bible says! Well I guess I am a top terrorist then because I believe what it says 110%.
By their fruits you shall know them.
Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Matthew 12:33-35 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh, A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Luke 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
These verses pretty much sum it all up. Someone who is preaching and teaching contrary to what the Bible says is in for a rude awakening and in this case I believe that God allowed satan to take Rick Warren’s son because of the outright Iniquity and promotion of Homosexuality among other things. God will not be mocked and made a fool of. Oh some of these “wolves in sheep’s clothing” get away with their Iniquity for a season but God will address it sooner or later!
Somewhere in the family line of Matthew Warren or any other family for that matter, Someone was inflicted with a suicide demon and it was passed down because the parents did not know about it, did not want to deal with it or did not know HOW to deal with it.
How can you be free and how can you stop the curse from being handed down?
If you are a new parent or have children that are not at an age of understanding the message of the Cross and what Jesus did there, you can for a lack of a better word “Call” the demons out of your child that were handed down. But first you must be clean yourself. Jesus and him alone must be the LORD of your life and all your sins must be washed clean by the Blood he shed on the cross at Calvary. Sometimes, as was in my case, you need to have what I call Biblical Surgery. Many times these ancestral curses handed down are very strong and have a right to be there. Then a trained person who can identify why they are there and what right they have to be there can help you get rid of them. If your child is of an age of understanding it is up to them too realize they need help and that help is Jesus. That is why I suggested at the beginning if you know you have a problem or suspect you do get that book Liberating the Bruised. No I do not make a penny by directing you to the book. I merely want to see people freed from the grasp of satan.
Folks, you must identify the enemy and know how that enemy operates. Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. That enemy satan, knows time is short and he wants to destroy as many of us as he can. If you do not stay close to Jesus, if you do not put on and keep on the full Armor of God as stated in Ephesians 6 satan will destroy you. The enemy will and does work on your mind 24/7. What you watch on TV, what you listen to on radio and what you dream about.
1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. 2 Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; 3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. 5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; 6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; 7 With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: 8 Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. 9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him. 10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; 19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak. 21 But that ye also may know my affairs, and how I do, Tychicus, a beloved brother and faithful minister in the Lord, shall make known to you all things: 22 Whom I have sent unto you for the same purpose, that ye might know our affairs, and that he might comfort your hearts. 23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.
Please consider what I have said in this posting and take it to the LORD in prayer and ask him what you should do about it. This is only the tip of the iceberg as far as info goes. I could preach for 2-3 hours straight and give you many personal examples and my own testimony as to how God dealt with me. I would like to tell you that all is rosy and hunky dory but that would be a lie. I must struggle daily and dodge those fiery darts of the enemy. I am sure if you take a long hard look at your life you must admit the same and I am talking to those of you who know Jesus as LORD and Savior. Is there something in your life that you just can’t overcome?
For those of you who are not sure your saved or you know your not saved, Jesus stands at your door and knocks. Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Let him in and see what he can do in your life. Here is how
Continued in Part 11 The Conclusion